Are men and women equal?

28 02 2007

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This is perhaps one of the defining questions of the modern world.

Irrespective of the country and culture one lives in, it is next to impossible to negotiate life today without running into this question lurking behind office desks, popping out of the messy bed sheets, and mixing with the food on our plate. How we ask and answer this question marks our politics, paints our ideology, highlights our socio-cultural context as well as gives hints about how we live our private lives.

So I might as well ask and answer this question, even though I can hear Alexander Pope whispering in my ear: “For fools rush in where angels fear to tread”!

Before we begin answering, it may be worthwhile to revisit the history of this question.

When the slogan of gender equality was first voiced, tentatively at that, in the nineteenth century, what was being demanded was an equality of political rights. Let us go back and remember the conditions in Europe and North America at that time. As a famous feminist writer has said, “A woman underwent ‘civil death’ upon marriage, forfeiting what amounted to every human right, as felons now do upon entering prison. She lacked control over her earnings, was not permitted to choose her domicile, could not manage property legally her own, sign papers or bear witness. Her husband owned both her person and her services.” Women were, in effect, legal minors — their fathers and husbands having rights over their wealth, labour and sexuality. And, of course, women did not have the right to vote.

It was also the time when the founding principles of the modern world — Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, unfurled with such fanfare by the French Revolution, were slowly, tortuously, being transferred from the pages of books to the streets and legal statutes. It was in this larger historical context that women organised themselves to demand legal and political rights, along with workers, ethnic minorities and colonised people.

Once the assertion that ‘all men are equal’ was accepted, it was easy to extend this premise to all humans, irrespective of sex, class, race, ethnicity, religious persuasion, etc. The main struggle was whether equality or hierarchy would be the founding principle of society. Once the battle for the equality of all men was won, it was relatively easy to extend this principle to sub-sets of the human race.

Yet it took almost a century for women to gain legal and political equality in its entirety. It was only in the 1960s and later that legal and political infirmities which women suffered were fully removed in Western Europe and North America.

It is a measure of the distance we have to cover that women, in many of our societies, still do not have basic political rights; legal parity is still further away. Even countries like Pakistan, which have had a woman prime minister, are still struggling with laws that consider a woman less than a man. We also know how relatively easy it is for these political and legal rights of women, whatever they are, to be taken away with a mere change of government. In fact, many of our societies have seen a regression as far as laws and political rights of women are concerned.

The reason why, unlike in the West, women’s rights are so easy to take away is because one, they are not real ‘rights’, but more like privileges, and two, because the idea of equality is yet to be crowned with the universality it enjoys in the West. This is because a right is a claim made on society, guaranteed by the state. Unless this claim can be made by all and guaranteed for all, those who articulate that claim will remain privileged with reference to those who cannot.

The idea of equality, as a general organising principle of society, has still not been won in our societies. Our societies remain deeply hierarchical and stratified along primordial identities. It is not possible for women to gain political and legal equality with men unless it becomes a general principle. A sub-set (men-women equality) cannot exist when the universe (equality of all humans) is absent. In a context where that is lacking, whatever ‘rights’ women or other oppressed groups manage to wrangle, would remain ‘privileges’ rather than true rights.

But the achievement of legal and political equality in the post-World War II West brought about the realisation that women still lagged behind men in substantive matters. While they did manage to gain political rights to vote and stand for public office, it was very difficult for women to actually get elected. The US still has not been able to elect a single woman (or non-white) to its presidency. Similar glass ceilings — an effective barrier, which remains invisible in law, to growth — were found operating in business, professions and other public domains where women continue to be under-represented and underpaid.

It was in this context that the demand for substantive equality emerged. The political agenda of the women’s movement moved from demanding mere legal equality to equality of opportunities, such that it reflected in outcomes.

What are the lessons we — the people living in Asia, living in Muslim societies, living in post-colonial societies — can learn from this history of the women’s movement in the West?

The question, “Are men and women equal?” will provide different answers in the West and in Asia. Since the question is premised on the fact of existing political equality and legal parity in the West, it purports to ask whether men and women are the same in their emotional, psychological and cultural attributes. Whatever way that question is then answered, it rarely takes away from the political equality of women and men.

But when this same question is posed in our societies, it jostles for space with questions like: “Are people of all castes equal?”, or “Are people of all religions equal?” And we well know that these are hardly settled questions in our societies. As was argued earlier, in a context where the general equality of human beings is still not an accepted fact, demands for equality of parts would always tend to dissolve into a fight for privilege.

Given this context, it seems that the demand for women’s equality in our societies is, perforce, to be part of a larger political programme which demands general equality for the entire population. “Are men and women equal?”, in that sense, would be a wrong question to ask in today’s Asia. They can never be unless the hierarchical foundation of our social structure is destroyed and the idea of the inherent equality of human beings, qua human beings, is enthroned in our cultures.

(My articles are carried every Wednesday in a column called Left~ Write in The Post, published from Lahore/Islamabad.)

This is the first of a three-part series. You will find Part II here and Part III here. There is a complimentary article (the better half so to speak) here.


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19 responses

31 07 2008
Vartika

The article ponders and pontificates about the equality of women but the author doesnt commit to the stance that despite politics and social structure enforcing inequality, men, women, children, aged, sexual minorities are inherently EQUAL.

Its how we live these polarities is what makes the question still alive in todays context.

I would also have been happier if we didnt bring in the classical North South divide to place the context…Equality is a concern, regardless of where we live!

4 03 2009
Darren Brown, London

No, men and women are not equal. Women are greater than men so how can it be? But its the men, the smaller of the two, who have held the greater captive. Its strange that the very gender that gives birth to men, including great men in our history, has been denied equality and basic rights for centuries. And while their rights are only quite new, they are expected to come out of ages of oppression in an instant.

4 03 2009
vlischov

the usual equality-fetish blabbering. men and women are equal before the law, unequal before the scale of capability. that’s the reason why the dominant sex has ruled over the weaker from time immemorial.

we’d be much served if we were to hold to equality under law rather than trying to clone women as men and vice versa.

13 08 2009
shweta

This question remains unanswered yet,and I don’t think there can be a clearcut answer to this at all,at least in the present times.Now as an “A” cannot be the same as a “B”,but still both are indispensable and hold their own importance in the English alphabet ,similarly men and women can’t be equal,and they have their specific importance in the human society.
The greater physical power of men as if an error of destiny renders them dominant and their say prevails most of the time.and it is this superficial vanity of the masculine power is venerated wolrdover.
A look at the mother nature reveals the creator’s idea ,that it never wanted a discrimination based gender,but the growing insanity of the human society ,and its affair with power, lust and domination is to be condemned.

23 08 2009
Rishabh

“Now as an “A” cannot be the same as a “B”,but still both are indispensable and hold their own importance in the English alphabet ,similarly men and women can’t be equal,and they have their specific importance in the human society.”

*praises*

3 03 2010
Lucia Sanchez

I truly believe that men and women are not equal. The women is better in many ways. Even thought before many people thought that the men more intelligent, strong, and brave, the true is that the women have show the reality. Today women are obtaining more deegres in the colleges and are caplabe to support the family much more so than the men.

25 04 2011
Billie

I think you are dodging the issue, it is not a question of superiority but of equality, the opposite. Gender equality doesn’t mean that the right to. be respected as a woman (or man) is taken away or less important. Equality is the acceptance of our differences, not only physical but mental and physcological too and the acceptance that they are both powerful, strong, an understanding that both have defaults. BOTH. Women are not trying to be masculine or men feminine, the only thing stopping us from peace is human arrogance and ignorance. Our obsession with power and dominance is holding us back as an international society. Just some thoughts.

26 06 2011
ridham

shut up

21 05 2012
Noxy(Knysna)

men were created different than us so i would say women are not eqaul than a men but that does’nt mean we women we are not special..

15 06 2012
John Gray

I think that now a days women are equal to men but they cont work harder then men.But quite they are very special made by god.

10 10 2012
shraddha chandna

every people in the society have different thoughts.According to me women are much better than men in many activities like dressing sernse, jobs,studies etc. ……….

8 03 2013
Giridhar Rao

> There is a complimentary article (the better half so to speak) here.

Complementary, surely?

18 08 2013
ABIN K THOMAS

men & women are equal.men make roads;but it is the women who teach children how to walk on it. we all are humans

if you like my ideas please RATE UP
My name is ABIN K THOMAS

10 03 2014
K.Prashant

Are Apples equal to oranges? Mathematically speaking, equality depends on what we compare them based upon. Is it their taste, shape, colour, chemical composition, per capita mass, cost in the market that we use for the purpose?
But nonetheless do not forget that both are fruits, equally good for health and equally essential for the eater.
This is essentially a similar problem that we are talking about.
I think it is not fair to compare men and women and talk about equality.- No, we do not compare their stamina, muscle power, average height etc.
Is there any reason at all to embark on this discussion of equality at all? If you want to have this as a pre-requisite to opening up giving equal rights, let me point out, what is the whole point of any discrimination at all ? (based on gender or otherwise).
If somebody is doing good work, whichever gender they may belong to, they should be given the opportunity to do it. Ultimately we want good work from people, in whatever aspects they can contribute and it therefore is absolutely essential that we give them level playing field for doing that.
How do we expect men to be equal to women?
We selectively kill the female fetus. We educate the male child and not the girl. We also have stereotypic notions of the career options conventionally allowed for females. And we also have helluva lot of societal norms against them, enforced with perfect vigor by old patriarchs.
If you do not water two trees equally right from birth or childhood, how will they be equal?

8 04 2014
Logan Duitscher

You really make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this matter to be really something that I
feel I would never understand. It kind of feels too complex
and extremely wide for me. I’m having a look ahead for your subsequent post, I’ll attempt to
get the grasp of it!

13 04 2014
fscottkey

My comment begins from the above post
“Now as an “A” cannot be the same as a “B”,
but still both are indispensable
and hold their own importance in the English alphabet,
similarly men and women can’t be equal,
and they have their specific importance in the human society.”
This is a start off point to be reality back into the debate and actual search for Truth. For there is truth on this point. Men and women biologically are not equal. The affectations, desires and goals are different yet complimentary.
And whether one resists or rejects Faith– that position or lack of belief does not change the Fact of the existence of God and that we are the Children of perfect parents.
But this great debate, and the issues of government that arise — most often confuse words and their meanings with the sometimes bizarre false notions of philosophy and subversive schemes sent forth by the unwholesome that exist in societies.
Our society here in the United States was founded on a belief in the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob of the Old Testament Holy Bible — declared & witnessed as Jesus Christ of the New Testament.
Why is that significant? Because the Judeo-Christian ethics. That is what God inspired the founders to place into our Constitution. You have to know that men are children of Adam given charge (more precisely dominion) to lead, protect and bless the family. That was passed down to men- his descendants. (now they could be good men or monsters– that is their choice free will or Agency– so don’t reject my words just because there are monsters in the past and today– this is the pattern and ideal) Women were created as the help meet for Adam and his son’s as their wives.

God loves both men and women– we should too. (no problem there right!??!)
But unless you, the reader- expect men and women to compete, be rivals, and that leading to enemies, bickering, fighting and killing each other– they were not placed to do the same thing in life. THEY ARE NOT EQUAL.
But then everyone either by misunderstanding, anger over lies in the world or plain obstinacy cease to read or raise their arm in challenge. That is not the end – For the Reality is that men and women are INDISPENSABLE.
Man cannot exist without a good woman
(i.e., loving kind, not a shrew, nag or hag)
and Women cannot exist without their prince
(protecting loving providing nourishing prince to them as a princess) These truths have really been twisted and corrupted over the ages.
The woman suffrage movement to gain the women the vote —
was both misguided and grossly wrong!
Again, hold your horses- and do not take offense!

Do all of you actually know what the Constitution provided for — respecting who should vote. It was an adult man (not a kid, potentially yet ignorant and selfish with no job or responsibility) He really needed to be a land owner (you know someone that had a stake in the laws passed regarding property)
Now knowing the reality that families only exist if there is a husband wife and children. How in the world would the nation survive if every time a husband voted his wife would vote and become a potential challenge or negation of His Vote????

Please realize, God and human nature demand a mesh and intertwining of men and women into a wonderful, powerful, and effective partnership of strengths and characteristics, skills and feelings of both. Woman having the Vote is just wrong. And if ever girl would find a sweetheart. And the men loved them as themselves (which is the Command from Christ)– can you not open your minds and hearts and admit the joy and beauty of those relationships.
(Please just because there are the men, or nasty, cruel or hate-filled in the world that don’t make those unions / relationships– does not mean that we all don’t have that potential.) Each of us have to be brave enough to face Truth–
Men are not Women, we are not equal, we are vital, and indispensable to each other. As soon as we divide, begin to compete or vie for power or position– ugliness and serious problems ensue.

As to the workplace we must face the other great blessing of our Constitution and its foundation the Gospel of Jesus Christ– and what is that?
The answer is Justice and Equity. Not the false notion of fairness, which frankly is the false notion created to serve the selfish or crafty. Real Justice requires an appropriate reward for an action. Equity before the law is about Justice not about equal results for uniquely disparate entities. The dangerous and destructive societies that are Socialists– in part build themselves up like that in France in its revolution seeking “Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité ou Morte”
That insanity for that kind of “equality” of France & around the world)
works for making the rich poor to try and raise the poor–
and only creates slavery of dictatorships.

Sorry, but our Republic is about real liberty and rich & poor judged with equity by the very same laws. And this very much deals with the Equality of the sexes.
Socialism is about creating the caste system,
dividing and labeling groups–
to divide in order to Conquer!!
And THIS IS The Plan behind making men and women fight to be equal
and destroy the family & society.
Remember the idea and ideal
“Not equal– vital & complimentary”
and justice of the same laws applied to both.
If you rush for equality of socialism there will be no family–
just two groups at odds; & despising each other!

I know I am speaking of returns to a higher ideal–
But that is where Truth was born and where it will shine.
Women make great mothers– they shine there, with effort, support & God’s help. Men were both cursed and commanded to work– please let them!

There is plenty to do in the world, for families, for precious children– than for women to seek to usurp power, pretend to be men, and lose the glory, beauty and destiny God intends for them to seek to overthrow men, the society set by God for this earth. I would encourage each to research, open up and strive for the ideal– and lay aside the false notions, strivings in animosity generated
by the incessant rivalry of one sex against the other.
IT NEEDS TO BE:
Hand in hand together–
not with the raised fist or sharp tongues of animosity.
Please, husbands and wives; lovers and friends–
not as combatants leading to utter annihilation.
There is a better way– Men and Women, not equal, but indefensible-
together “for each other” — perfect compliments!

yours truly

13 04 2014
fscottkey

sorry, i spelled the word “indispensable” wrong. in my last sentence
I hope you can overlook my typing errors and see what i am trying to say.

and a corrected sentence–
“There is plenty to do in the world, for families, for precious children–
than for women to seek to usurp power, pretend to be men,
and lose the glory, beauty and destiny God intends for them to (have).

(omitted beginning – I thought but failed to type)
Rather than for them to
seek to overthrow men,
the society set by God for this earth. ”

Again sorry for my inadequate proofing.

yours truly

5 05 2014
K.Prashant

Well Mr. Fscottky, what if the complementary role that you suggest for women is not liked by a particular women? Women make great mothers, but does that mean that you will force every women to be a mother and leave her no choice? Your argument seems naturally biased against socialism and revels heavily in your notion of “destiny”

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